Wednesday, July 12, 2006

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Since email wouldn't send my email, with all the links, I make this a post.

Dear John,

I do feel we had some pretty good conversation.

The day after our last walk I pulled together some stuff on Islam. I didn't send it, there are tons and tons of it available. Now I'll send just a bit.

I'd mentioned comments by Victor Davis Hanson, a military historian and one of my favorite writers; the general violence in the Koran; the teaching of this violence in the Madras's (in at least one Madras in the US); and the general violence of Islam as it's understood by good Muslims. For this last I include a quote ascribed to Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, though I can't vouch he's actually the Imam who stated it.

I don't know if these links will work or not.

My general statement of the difference between Christianity and Islam is this: If you're a Christian and you want to kill somebody just because they're not a Christian then you're a bad Christian; if you're a Muslim, and you want to kill somebody just because they're not a Muslim, then you're a good Muslim.

I can discuss this endlessly but this is enough for now.


Unfortunately, this ideology is grounded in religion and God, replete with eternal damnations and rewards, and thus not easily discredited... Immutable verses from the Koran, as well as countless statements and examples by the prophet Muhammad, are what initiate this animosity:
“When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them — seize them, besiege them, and make ready to ambush them” [9:5]
“When you encounter infidels, strike off their heads” [Koran 47:4].
“I [Muhammad] have been made victorious through terror” [Bukhari B52N220].

LINK


They fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain...
"164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan


“When you meet those who disbelieve, smite at their necks ‘til when you have killed and wounded many of them, then take them as captives.” (47:4)
This is a Saudi textbook. (After the intolerance was removed.)


“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini : Jihad Watch: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) reviewed at National Review (Comments Section, 1:51 PM)



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